in oracle's defense analysts point out that such a strong executer they've had one-off glitches. >> it's always come back. again, i want to point out that i think that there's a lot that's not great. it has been the tale of two economies. there's ken pal from general mills on last night. that's a terrific story. but then you come back and you say, well, look, some of these stocks have been up, up, up, up, that are in that group. there's a big goldman piece today about the industrials. they like a bunch of stocks that are again moved una lot. i don't want to be sanguine here. i think there is a lot of stuff that's not good. >> cisco got downgraded, stock is down 3% right now. overall tech issue -- >> goldman's been saying over an over cisco's been taking share from juniper. obviously there's saying there's no share to be taken. that business is just not that good. oracle -- remember being amy packet, they did that acquisition order to boost. i don't know, if cisco's not doing well why would you want to move big into tellco. >> we mentioned a couple strong reports from home builders. kb ho